Jupiter And Saturn: Two Elders In The House!

If we think of our life as a kingdom-there are various roles played by different planets of solar system. Sun might be considered as the king;Moon is the queen; Mars is the commander-in-chief; Mercury is the minister and chief-adviser; Jupiter is the Guru. Note that Jupiter-the-Guru is different from the counsellor Mercury. Saturn is chief judge and an elder representing Law.



Jupiter and Saturn–Two Elders

In this article we shall take Jupiter and Saturn for discussion. Jupiter and Saturn are both elders. They are not necessarily the wise men in the house. But they’re both grey-bearded elders. Jupiter has a molten golden brilliant complexion and Saturn has a dark glowing complexion. Jupiter has a big-round belly and a happy-go-lucky jovial disposition whereas Saturn has a saturnine-dark-gloomy disposition. 



General Nature: Jupiter

Jupiter is given to excessive talk. He is fond of discussions involving Philosophy, Spirituality, Occult, Mysticism and Religion. He has very broad views and he is always happy in the moment. His Pollyanna attitude and over speech often lands him in trouble; especially in the foreign territories. He says “Lets discuss Philosophy, else what is there in mundane fruitless lives?” He is not concerned with day-to-day activities and routines. He has a dominant right hemisphere of brain. He is not very orderly but still he is very lucky and somehow manages to get his daily bread and butter. He might sometimes get very abundant resources and might seem very rich but because of his reckless expenditure he often lands in debt. He is respected by everyone because of his deep understanding. He dislikes incessant trivial talk of Mercury–the adolescent. His emphasis is to make Mercury have a profound understanding of existential matters. Jupiter is not just a braggart but also a great teacher but he is not very disciplined himself therefore he can not inculcate discipline into his pupil. He is somehow given to the belief that everything will be alright and there is no need of hard work and discipline. This in the short run makes his pupil have immense joy in his company. They laugh out loud and feel healed. But in the long run unless they are disciplined they are bound to falter and run into debts. They have hard time coming into terms with reality.




General Nature: Saturn

Saturn is reticent. A man of very few words. He is not fond of many discussions–except when it comes to the judgement on the matters of utmost importance. His words are few but pertinent. His concentration is impeccable and he dislikes incessant chattering of Mercury. Saturn also dislikes broad unrealistic philosophical talks of Jupiter but since Jupiter is very venerated in society Saturn doesn’t say anything. Saturn is however not only an elder but also in-charge of penitentiaries and old-age houses–therefore when Jupiter becomes tired and old because of his over-speech–Saturn puts him in an old-age home where he cannot enjoy sound of his own voice. Saturn could also put Jupiter in a jail because he is a jailer but it’s possible only when there is a malefic influence( dacoits Rahu Ketu etc befriending Jupiter!) on Jupiter, because of which Jupiter commits something immoral. Unlike Jupiter who is very optimistic about future, Saturn is a hard-core pessimist. Saturn is a strict disciplinarian. He is concerned with routines, factories, order and justice. He is a strict manager who wants things done. He dislikes freedom and adventure because he has an inherent belief that the world is either a lunatic asylum or a jail at large created by the ultimate ruler Mahakaal(read Demiurge or Satan or Time or Devil.) Saturn does not believe in over-expenditure. He believes in law of Karma and he believes in hard-work.

Both of them don’t like chattering Mercury. Jupiter persuades his pupil into thinking deep and philosophizing whereas Saturn asks them to finish homework and drill. Saturn points them towards ground realities and Jupiter points towards heavens telling beautiful stories of otherworldly realms.



Exaltation, Debilitation and other dignities

In Vedic Astrology, Jupiter is considered debilitated in the sign of Capricorn which is owned by Saturn. Jupiter is exalted in the sign Cancer which is owned by the Moon. It’s so because Capricorn is a sign of materiality; it’s a practical sign; it’s money-oriented. Jupiter feels restricted in Saturn’s house. He cannot discuss Philosophy there. He is not fond of working hard for earning money. He is not fond of discipline and hence he feels as if he has caught flu in the sign Capricorn. In the sign Cancer–which is a watery, emotional, nurturing and caring sign of Moon–Jupiter feels blissful. He has a lot of fantasy and emotions discussing occult there. He is given a lot of milk-made products to eat and gains a lot of weight. He feels prosperous and he feels blessed there. He discusses Philosophy and propounds about  religions and mythology. Jupiter feels very relaxed in his rest house Pisces. There he is given a lot of space to roam around in the world of imagination and dreams. He is not bothered about Philosophy and Religion there. He feels energetic and considers himself a center of attention in the sign Sagittarius which is his office. He is a Philosopher in his office and a counsellor as well. He is never at rest when in Sagittarius. He even considers himself a visionary and might even become a megalomaniac because of certain influences on him which make him lose touch with reality totally. Jupiter also feels almost exalted in the sign Aquarius. It’s so because this sign represents saints, teachers and philosophers. Even when the sign is owned by Saturn it’s an easy sign for Jupiter unlike Capricorn which is totally materialistic.


Saturn feels exalted in Thula(Libra). Libra is owned by Venus. It’s because Saturn loves justice and balance. Saturn doesn’t treat people differently based on their cast, creed, color or nationality. He works under one universal law–Karma–therefore he acts in the capacity of chief justice. Libra is a sign where he feels great because it’s a sign of balance and harmony. Saturn hates being in the sign Aries. Aries is owned by Mars. Aries is fiery sign and it represents leaders and commanders. Aries energy is a fast-moving energy whereas Saturn is very ponderous and slow. He thinks a lot before moving and taking decisions. Unlike Mars he does not run into dangers, fire and risks. That is why he feels so bad in the sign Aries. Saturn feels good in his sign Capricorn. Here he is a detail-oriented practical old-man who enforces schemes which lead to capital gains. In the sign Aquarius he feels very energetic and he is driven to enforce universal law in form of a great saint. Unlike Jupiter, Saturn here plays a role of a formidable practical teacher who leads you towards final liberation.


Philosophers and Saints: A Contrast

In the chart of a Philosopher, Jupiter must be strong. Jupiter’s influence on Moon also tends to give philosophical-religious aptitude. A strong Jupiter is found in the chart of priests and prosperous teachers and professors. However it must be noted that these are very general characteristics and there are many small details which must be taken into the account before deciding the real nature of an individual’s aptitude. Jupiter is considered a benefic whereas Saturn is treated as a malefic but without Saturn there is no discipline. On the other hand too much of Saturn or negative influences on it might make a native feel too restricted and 
pessimistic and might even make him feel suicidal.



 Jupiter gives cheerful jovial attitude but too much of Jupiter makes an individual lose touch with reality. He becomes a day-dreamer who thinks everything will turn out to be in his favor in the end. He assumes that the world owes him a loving and a living! Saturn is a very powerful planet as far as statesmen are concerned. That is why there are too many statesmen with Thula Lagna–because Saturn as a ruler of both fourth and fifth houses becomes a super-beneficiary and if Saturn alone is enough strong in such a nativity–the native is bound to become a great public figure.


 Without Jupiter there is no deep knowledge of esoteric nature–there is no depth of understanding of existential subjects. Therefore Jupiter must be strong in charts of saints. But only a strong Jupiter can not make an individual a great saint. It’s so because renunciation or vairagya is not possible unless Saturn affects the Moon and Mercury in a strong way. Saturn with other spiritual factors in a horoscope makes native realize Law of Karma. It makes one realize that existence is ephemeral and it gives one such a pessimistic disposition that one can not become attached to anything or anybody. However a strong influence of Saturn in aforesaid manner in the absence of good Jupiter is bound to make one a neurotic. On the other hand a strong Jupiter without a strong Saturn might make one a good thinker and scholar but he will not have a great discipline and detachment required for realizing self. Too reckless a Jupiter would make one a day-dreamer who runs into debts often. You can observe here that negative Saturn would make one commit suicide whereas Jupiter at most would make one a day-dreamer and braggart. In that sense since Jupiter does not challenge the existence of organism it’s considered a benefic whereas a very negative Saturn becomes a threat to organism itself hence it’s a malefic.
  


Friends and Enemies

Jupiter is friendly towards Sun, Mars and Moon. Sun is the ruler and king. King must be friendly with Pundit and scholar. It’s interesting to note that no planet feels enmity towards Jupiter. It’s so because Jupiter is the Guru. He is the teacher. Saturn might not feel good about his impractical attitude still whatever Saturn has learned-he has learned from Guru–therefore he feels it necessary to respect him.

Clever Guru always befriends people in position of power–that’s why he likes Sun and Moon and Mars–the king, queen and  commander-in-chief of state. Here you may think–why Jupiter is not friendly towards Mercury? It’s because even when Mercury is an important person–he is intelligent in decision-making–but he is too much of an adolescent. He doesn’t have a depth of thinking like Jupiter nor he has a disciplined approach like Saturn. Jupiter also considers Rahu as his enemy–because Rahu is irreligious taboo breaker black magic practitioner who is given to greed. Guru doesn’t like Venus-Shukra–who is teacher of demons. Guru doesn’t like scientific thinking or art much–because he thinks that they are not helpful in Dharma–higher philosophy and religion. Venus is given to company of ladies–he is fond of sex, drugs and alcohol–Jupiter doesn’t approve of carnal pleasures and hence this enmity.


Saturn feels friendly towards Mercury, Venus and Rahu. Saturn feels inimical towards Sun, Moon and Mars. Mercury is intelligent but chattering young lad. Jupiter’s Philosophy he doesn’t like, still he is fond of earning money and making profit. Saturn lures him into practical matters. He says to him–“See there is no use of wasting time–lets earn money–let’s do something practical.” 

Saturn feels friendly towards Venus not because he(she) is an artist–but because he is a teacher of Science. Saturn values practical knowledge and Science because they lead towards concrete results and gains. That is why Saturn is friendly towards Venus. Saturn lures Venus into scientific-discipline. Saturn says ” It’s alright if you want to enjoy pleasures–wine and sex–why not get a lot of money and then enjoy them?” Venus likes this advice and starts working with Saturn on scientific theories. 

Saturn feels friendly towards Rahu because Rahu is a taboo-breaker. Saturn also likes those who don’t differentiate based on caste and creed but the main reason is not this only. Saturn wants getting things done. He has a need to reach goals and achieve results–in order to accomplish it sometimes he has to apply out-of-box methods and Rahu is a genius when it comes to such ideas.



Enmity between Saturn and Sun   

This is quite a famous story. Sun is king who has appointed Saturn as the chief justice. Sun is also his father and Moon is his mother. Still, Saturn feels inimical towards both of them. Why it’s so? Because, Sun the ruler is always inclined on exercising power. Ego-driven dictator who wants to rule no matter what employs many underhand tactics in order to stay ahead of his competitors. The ruler Sun is so detached from people of his kingdom that he can not really feel their pain. He often kills people recklessly using his hot and energetic friend Mars. This is just against the karmic laws. Saturn feels that Sun is not just and Saturn feels that everyone is equal when it comes to justice. Saturn considers that a king and a pauper both are equal when it comes to human rights. That is why Saturn treats Sun and Mars as his enemies.

Saturn treats Moon as his enemy because she is too emotional and too friendly towards Sun. Saturn thinks that Moon is not just because she is always at the side of king who is suffering from megalomania. That is why Saturn considers her an enemy irrespective of the fact that she happens to be his mother. 



General Conclusion

In general, Jupiter is a planet which gives a positive attitude and a cheerful disposition. It makes one lucky and rich. It makes one popular. If it’s strong along with other planets it makes one have a life-long prosperity and easy-sailing through most of the obstacles. it also confers wisdom and oratorical skills. If it’s weak or it has afflictions it tends to make one over-optimistic braggart who runs into debts. 

Saturn is a planet which gives a pessimistic and practical attitude towards life. It makes one disciplined and focused. Strong Saturn might make one a great statesman or a great Saint but other factors must also support. If Saturn is heavily afflicted a person becomes undisciplined and he can not finish anything he starts. He lacks patience and perseverance. Saturn’s negative aspect on mind might make one a neurotic person whereas positive rays might turn one into a detached monk.

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8 thoughts on “Jupiter And Saturn: Two Elders In The House!

  1. CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE: ‘THE BIG BANG’

    The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the ‘Big Bang’. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by ‘chance’ is zero. The Quran contains the following verse, regarding the origin of the universe: “Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” [Al-Quran 21:30]
    The striking congruence between the Quranic verse and the ‘Big Bang’ is inescapable! How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth?

    THERE WAS AN INITIAL GASEOUS MASS BEFORE THE CREATION OF GALAXIES

    Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter. In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. To describe initial celestial matter, the word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas. The following Quranic verse refers to this state of the universe by the word dhukhan which means smoke.

    “Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience.’” [Al-Quran 41:11]

    Again, this fact is a corollary to the ‘Big Bang’ and was not known to the Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What then, could have been the source of this knowledge?

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    1. Hello Imran 🙂

      Thanks for your thought provoking response. I agree that ancient sages did know more than catches the eyes of most of the modern scientists.

      You might have heard about the multiverse theory too. Big Bang and Big Crunch follow each other in endless succession.

      Hindu Puranas also have astonishing theories. For example–most of the puranas which were written before 3000 BC have clearly suggested that there are innumerable universes. Now how could that have been possible even to conceive, when in 1960s, for the first time the modern science proposed the theory of multiverse, only after quantum mechanics started proposing the infinite number of possible states for any particle.

      So definitely, the cosmos is a vast mystery and to claim that we know a lot or we have made a great progress is not very apt. We must keep our eyes and mind open for the unknown and respect religions and mystics for what they said to help us live better.

      Have a lovely week ahead.

      Much love and light ❤

      Anand 🙂

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      1. A. GENERAL REFLECTIONS CONCERNING THE SKY

         

        –sura 50, verse 6. The subject is man in general.
        “Do they not look at the sky above them, how We have built it and adorned it, and there are no rifts in it.”

        –sura 31, verse 10:
        “(God) created the heavens without any pillars that you can see…”

        –sura 13, verse 2:
        “God is the One Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see, then He firmly established Himself on the throne and He subjected the sun and moon . . .”

        These two verses refute the belief that the vault of the heavens was held up by pillars, the only things preventing the former from crushing the earth.

        –sura 55, verse 7:
        “the sky (God) raised it . . .”

        –sura 22, verse 65:
        “(God) holds back the sky from falling on the earth unless by His leave . . .”

        It is known how the remoteness of celestial masses at great distance and in proportion to the magnitude of their mass itself constitutes the foundation of their equilibrium. The more remote the masses are, the weaker the force is that attracts one to the other. The nearer they are, the stronger the attraction is that one has to the other: this is true for the Moon, which is near to the Earth (astronomically speaking) and exercises an influence by laws of attraction on the position occupied by the waters of the sea, hence the phenomenon of the tides. If two celestial bodies come too close to one another, collision is inevitable. The fact that they are subjected to an order is the sine qua non for the absence of disturbances.

        The subjection of the Heavens to divine order is often referred to as well:

        –sura 23, verse 86. God is speaking to the Prophet.
        “Say: Who is Lord of the seven heavens and Lord of the tremendous throne?”

        We have already seen how by ‘seven heavens’ what is meant is not 7, but an indefinite number of Heavens.

        –sura 45, verse 13:
        “For you (God) subjected all that is in the heavens and on the earth, all from Him. Behold! In that are signs for people who reflect.”

        –sura 55, verse 5:
        “The sun and moon (are subjected) to calculations”

        –sura 6, verse 96:
        “(God) appointed the night for rest and the sun and the moon for reckoning.”

        –sura 14, verse 33:
        “For you (God) subjected the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses. And for you He subjected the night and the day.”

        Here one verse completes another: the calculations referred to result in the regularity of the course described by the heavenly bodies in question, this is expressed by the word da’ib, the present participle of a verb whose original meaning was ‘to work eagerly and assiduously at something’. Here it is given the meaning of ‘to apply oneself to something with care in a perseverant, invariable manner, in accordance with set habits’.

        –sura 36, verse 39: God is speaking:
        “And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she returns like an old shriveled palm branch.”

        This is a reference to the curled form of the palm branch which, as it shrivels up, takes on the moon’s crescent. This commentary will be completed later.

        –sura 16, verse 12:
        “For you (God) subjected the night and the day, the sun and the moon; the stars are in subjection to His Command. Verily in this are signs for people who are wise.”

        The practical angle from which this perfect celestial order is seen is underlined on account of its value as an aid to man’s travel on earth and by sea, and to his calculation of time. This comment becomes clear when one bears in mind the fact that the Quran was originally a preaching addressed to men who only understood the simple language of their everyday lives. This explains the presence of the following reflections.

        –sura 6, verse 97:
        “(God) is the One Who has set out for you the stars, that you may guide yourselves by them through the darkness of the land and of the sea. We have detailed the signs for people who know.”

        –sura 16, verse 16:
        “(God sets on the earth) landmarks and by the stars (men) guide themselves.”

        –sura 10, verse 5:
        “God is the One Who made the sun a shining glory and the moon a light and for her ordained mansions, so that you might know the number of years and the reckoning (of the time). God created this in truth. He explains the signs in detail for people who know.”

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